![]() ![]() The fact that they mention the statement in bold can only mean it's referring to a multi-class initiator whom had their ability "proc" from multiple initiator classes at once, which can only be possible if the ability did indeed "proc" from taking a class other than the base initiator class. Note that this is unrelated to the ability of initiators to swap maneuvers for higher-level ones at certain initiator levels that swap represents the initiator’s evolving style of combat, does not require a trainer, cannot replace stances, and can happen only once at a given level." From level 2 onward, Crusaders know only one maneuver more than a warblade, and warblades have 5 schools to choose from rather than 3, so I would say warblades actually have the more diversity of the two. The new maneuver or stance must be part of the initiator’s available disciplines for the class, and must be of an equal or lower level to the maneuver or stance it replaces. "Retraining: Initiators can retrain their known maneuvers and stances this retraining takes 2 days per level of the new maneuver and requires a trainer who can initiate the desired maneuver or enter the desired stance. I've re-read one of the rules in the System Use and am inclined to agree that all the initiator classes DO indeed get to swap maneuvers even if they take a class in something else. Prestige classes however increase the initiator level that you were before joining, so they will proc it. Likewise, other initiating base classes start their own separate initiator level, and so wont proc each other. Therefor, yes you could take a 1 level dip but you would have a small pool of maneuvers and a relatively low initiator level.Ĭleric does not advance initiator level, so it wont proc the line as youll never get an even leveled initiator level (it will be stuck at 1) and even if you did the max level of maneuvers you could take would likewise be stuck at 1. The first is to have received prior training in the discipline. There are two ways to learn maneuvers from the discipline. Cleric increases your initiator level by 1/2 per level, and separate classes stack. Only Swordsages and Warblades may learn maneuvers from Chthonic Discipline, but most cannot. That doesn't seem right.Įdit: I made a mistake, I havent used PoW in a while. If you have any advice for trying to work with such a combination, it would be much appreciated.Sir Dragoon wrote: Baval, I know that's how it's written, but strictly by how it's written, you could just take 1 level of one of the classes, like Zealot for instance, and then take the rest of your levels in Cleric for instance, and still continue to be able to swap old maneuvers for higher level ones as you advance in cleric levels. While a Warblade/Barbarian undoubtedly has its advantages, I've been quite interested in seeing what I can do with a Barbarian/Swordsage combination. Incidentally, while I have considered Warblade, I do plan on getting Adaptive Style for the time being, and the character have not come across a place to rebuild yet, so if I do go that route, I'll have to wait. ![]() ![]() Still, it is still very powerful, and I'm not thinking of crossing it off the list just yet. The speed boost the Barbarian gets is one of the class features I enjoy the most, and especially since I'm not building a straight charger, I appreciate being able to project those standard action maneuvers at a longer range. Incidentally, however, while I did consider taking the Spirit Lion Totem, I have not retrained this as of yet (I had no idea it existed when I first made this guy). Also, By Crom Iron Heart Surge should help you get rid of Fatigue after a Rage.Yes, I hope to get Dancing/Raging Mongoose at the first opportunity. However, Swordsage of course has a crappy Refresh method, and access to Desert Wind is a bummer prize, so I'd also rather go Warblade and grab White Raven. Since you're already a Barbarian, I suppose you're going Spirit Lion to get Pounce, which is of course better than Pouncing Charge because you don't need to refresh it.įor instance, Pounce works with Bounding Assault, which frees you of the restrictive limitation of having to charge in a straight line. Also, the Dancing / Raging Mongoose Boosts work beautifully with Charges, especially when you Pounce. ![]()
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